"Anonymous. I had a look at the IDSF technique book."

No you didn't, because the IDSF does not publish a technique book.

Assuming you mean the ISTD techinque book:

"You know as well as I do it doesn't say there is any turn on step one on the first step into a Weave from a Promenade "

Nope, unlike you I know what that book actually says, which is, as I previously quoted for you on August 26 and again on August 28, "1/8 between preceding step and 1"

"I wondered why you wouldn't print the text. I suggest you read it again and write exactly what is written."

I had done so two times before you requested that, and referred you to the fact. I have now done so a third time.

When will you ever learn?

Anonymous. It would have helped if you had put which book and what page. If it is from a DVD then who's tape. Otherwise anything you write is hearsay. If it is just your opinion then say so. Does anybody else agree with that. If not we are going to have all sorts of idiotic advice. At least tell us where it came from . Then we can check for ourselves.
You are now saying that there is no turn in any step on which CBMP is being applied . Is that correct. In other words on step one following a Whisk into a Reverse Weave there is no turn on step one which is in CBMP. Which is what I said in the first place and haven't changed since.
Heres one. Does the person going forward. if it is a heel lead. lower the foot to the floor before the person going backwards lowers the whole of the foot to the floor.
Go to Learn the dances on this site on the International style of Ballroom Dancing and check for yourself. You will see that the lowering of the foot to the floor is at a different time.
Before attacking paragraph three answer paragraphs 1 and 2.
So there you have it What, Where and How. Without that... the words written are just hearsay.

"Anonymous. It would have helped if you had put which book and what page."

As I stated on August 26, 28, and 30, this is right out of the ISTD technique book description of the weave from promenade. For the FIFTH time, it says under amounts of turn:

"1/8 between preceding step and 1"

So my question is are you going to keep claiming ignorance, or are you going to admit that you were wrong?


"You are now saying that there is no turn in any step on which CBMP is being applied . Is that correct. In other words on step one following a Whisk into a Reverse Weave there is no turn on step one which is in CBMP."

No, I am NOT saying that, because it is NOT true.

As the quote from the ISTD book posted here now five times, and the chart in ballroom dancing referenced numerous times indicate, there IS IN FACT TURN INTO STEP ONE IF THE WEAVE FROM PROMENADE, WHICH IS ALSO PLACED IN CBMP.

How long are you going to continue denying that the ink on the page says what it does?

Anonymous. The Whisk is finished with an 1/8th of a turn. It's over its gone never to return. The next step is forward RF in CBMP with no turn.
Are you so dense that you cannot see that if we are going into a Reverse Weave it couldn't be done from a normal Whisk position. You'd look like Daffy Duck. If it were a Progressive Chasse diag to the centre there would be no need to alter the line of the feet. But being that it is a Weave there has to be an adjustment to the feet on the Whisk to be able to do it without looking like Charley Chaplin.There should be...I put should be because you are obviously under the opinion that there is a turn on a step which is in CBMP. That is wrong. Hold on , maybe in the US you have your own rules. Is that how it is.

"Anonymous. The Whisk is finished with an 1/8th of a turn. It's over its gone never to return. The next step is forward RF in CBMP with no turn."

False, for the sixth time I will quote you from the ISTD technique book (which exactly matches the diagram in Ballrom Dancing) the stated amount of turn on th e FIRST STEP of the weave:

"1/8 between preceding step and 1"

"Are you so dense that you cannot see that if we are going into a Reverse Weave it couldn't be done from a normal Whisk position."

The subject is the weave from PROMENADE, not the "reverse" weave.

Now I'll repeate my earlier question: how long are you going to continue denying that the ink in the book says what it does - which has now been quoted for you SIX TIMES?

Anonymous. The Weave is a Reverse Weave which turns to the left anti clock after the Whisk. The 1/8 of a turn to get the feet to a position where the Weave can be performed correctly is on the Whisk. Not on the first step of the Weave which has no turn and is in CBMP.
In fact tell me of any basic step where there is turn during step one..The turn is always at the end of te step. Even on the first step of a Curving Feather. Lets hear no more of your rubbish. Just give me the page number for me to check .
You do realise that you have added another 1/8 of a turn to the Reverse Weave which already has 3/8 and a 1/4 in that order. Can anything be clearer than that.

"Anonymous. The Weave is a Reverse Weave which turns to the left anti clock after the Whisk."

The techniques books, and most dancers, call that the "weave from promenade".

"The 1/8 of a turn to get the feet to a position where the Weave can be performed correctly is on the Whisk. Not on the first step of the Weave which has no turn and is in CBMP."

And that is where you are wrong. For the SEVENTH time, the book says (in the weave from promenade, not the whisk):

"1/8 between preceding step and 1"

It it critically important to realize that this is a turn of the RIGHT foot only. The left foot does not turn.

And as for CBMP placement, I'd like to see anyone manage to place the step after a weave anywhere other than across in CBMP. It would be quite difficult to put it anywhere else as your partner is blocking most of your other choices.

The existence of turn does not alter the location where the right foot is placed, only it's orientation, which is now squarely to center in contrast to the DC alignment of the left foot.

But even if the turn did alter the foot placement, turn to the left would tend to putting it even more across in CBMP, not less.

"In fact tell me of any basic step where there is turn during step one.."

The weave from promenade taken after a whisk, as I have literally quoted it to you SEVEN times now.

So... the question still stands: how long are you going to continue denying that the ink in the book says what it in fact does??

Anonymous. I thought everybody new that in the Waltz their is no Natural Weave only a Running Weave.
page 160. It is a beautiful figure with great rhythmic feelimg and is not difficult to learn. When danced in the Waltz it can be taken after an Open Impetus Turn or a Whisk. In this description it is asumed the man has danced a Whisk
Amount of Turn. Make 3/8 of a turn to the left between 2 and 4. And a 1/4 to the left between 5 and 6. Do you see any turn mentioned on step one. You can read and understand what you are reading. Can you.

"In this description it is asumed the man has danced a Whisk
Amount of Turn. Make 3/8 of a turn to the left between 2 and 4. And a 1/4 to the left between 5 and 6. Do you see any turn mentioned on step one. You can read and understand what you are reading. Can you."

All you have done is repeate your question of August 28:

Polished: "Anonymous. Show me where on a Weave following a Whisk it is written that on step one there is an 1/8 of a turn."

Which had the following answer on August 28, consisting of quotes from answers already provided to you on previous days:

Answer of August 27:

"Look at the diagram and you will clearly see it. In Ballroom Dancing the text description does not break down the turn per step for this figure; in other volumes such as the ISTD book it is broken down and that same 1/8 turn seen in the diagram in Ballroom Dancing is explicitly stated in the text."

August 26: "To quote the ISTD book, it says under amounts of turn "1/8 between preceding step and 1""

August 26: "There is in fact 1/8 turn into step one for the man when the weave from promenade follows a whisk. That's the change you will see in your footprint diagram from DC at the end of the whisk to the first step of the weave being placed aligned squarely to the center."

So that's now EIGHT times that I've quoted the passage from the ISTD book to you, and comparable number of times that I've called your attention the exact same information shown in the footprint diagram of Ballroom Dancing. My question continues to be HOW LONG WILL YOU CONTINUE TO DENY THAT THE INK ON THE PAGE SAYS WHAT IT IN FACT DOES????

Maybe we can put this one to bed now. and (I hope) this will be my last comment on the matter.

Polished: "Anonymous. Show me where on a Weave following a Whisk it is written that on step one there is an 1/8 of a turn."

Anymouse: "To quote the ISTD book, it says under amounts of turn "1/8 between preceding step and 1"

Guy Howard says the same in the IDTA technique manual where he shows two different versions of weave from PP with different alignments and amounts of turn depending on the precede being a whisk as discussed here, or an open impetus where the weave uses the foxtrot alignment and turn.

However my final word is to compare editions 9 & 10 of Alex Moore.

9th ed. "Make 3/8 turn to L between 2 & 4"

10th ed. "Make 1/2 a turn to L over 1 to 4"

You decide where the extra 1/8 goes.